Looking for PowerLogic 5.0 decals libraries

[jaac]

Hi,

I am looking for decent libraries of "CAE Decals" or "Parts", as named in PowerLogic terminology. It means, the logic symbol or the complete part (including pin names, PCB decal, etc).

I am interested in the following kind of IC's:
- DSPs, from both Texas Instruments and Analog Devices.
- Memories
- CPLDs and FPGAs from Xilinx
- uControllers: Motorola's HC08, Microchip's PIC and 8051 family (Atmel and Dallas Semic. derivatives)

I mean, there must be a place where it all has been done!
I don't think I am the very first one needing such kind of components libraries.

Thanks!

[phillipr]

I don't think such a thing exists yet.
I'm sure Tom will give you an update on how this is going.

read this Thread

http://www.pcbstandards.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=728

[jaac]

Hello,

However it seems strange for me that with such a powerful tool, that seems to be used worldwide, none (?) has libraries with this kind of components.

Does nobody design using these tools, with those components? Actually I don't think so...

I understand no "official" library exist yet, but from the users, there must be something!

Cheers,

JaaC

[Tom]

JaaC,

We are still looking for a PowerLogic library champion to help create a specification so everyone can build schematic symbols the same way. So far, no one has come forward to lead this project.

We do not use PowerLogic here at Wind River, and I do not own PowerLogic, nor has Mentor Graphics given me a copy. But I would be highly interested in helping someone develop and distribute the schematic libraries, once they are linked to the pcbstandards decals.

If someone would just start the process, others could contribute and over the months we could collect enough symbols to call it a library. We need the starting point, but it needs to be someone who uses PowerLogic everyday.

I totally agree with you that it is absolutely mind-boggling to image that there isn't a PowerLogic library available to the user base. Everyone is building their own symbols and producing duplication of effort that basically wastes thousands of man hours every year.

[Lameris]

It's not unusual Tom. No one really offers a Viewdraw library either...

[Tom]

I know. It's your typical "Our Libraries are proprietary to our company for competitive reasons". I keep hearing the same thing over and over. No large company wants to share any of their work because it's their libraries that give them a competitive edge. Hence we have no standards and the little guys get squashed.

It would be non-productive for the CAD vendor to provide a complete "up-to-date" library. After all, they depend on lots of software sales. The more they sell the more profits they make. If there were a standard library that everybody used, they would sell less software because we would be more productive and we could reassign our librarians to perform other tasks and therefore we would purchase less software.

There is absolutely no incentive in the world for any CAD vendor to produce good libraries because there software sales would go down. That's just simple marketing 101.

If you think about it, it's not good economics for PCB manufacturers or assembly shops to help produce a library standard either. If we did not produce errors their workload (and revenue) would drop by at least 30%. They thrive on our errors.

The Standards Groups cannot get involved in producing libraries because what library would they produce? Then all the other CAD vendors would be mad at the Standards Groups because they didn't create their library format. Why is GENCAM taking so long to be developed? Why doesn't any CAD vendor have a GENCAM interface for the exchange of data (especially libraries)?

The component manufacturers also thrive on our errors, because they sell more components because of our errors. So why would any component manufacturer want to get involved with producing a clean library to reduce our error rate.

Do I smell a conspiracy here? Or are they all just so stupid to the fact that standard libraries would save millions of man hours, reduce errors, reduce spending and increase our productivity.

If we want good standard libraries to help increase our productivity and reduce our error rate to save us time and money we have to take that ownership on ourselves because it is against everyone else’s best interest "In The Name of the Almighty Dollar".

That's my opinion, what's yours?

[Lameris]

Personally, our symbols are fair game and I published them 18 months ago (OK I need and update)

One of the main issues I have is creating a good naming scheme, Since we use DxDatabook, the access database ties the symbols to the PowerPCB parts and decals and attributes the symbols when the parts are. Also, I use the same 30 pin symbol connector symbol for almost all physical connectors or 30 pins.

I did download an "Orcad" naming scheme, a few months ago, but I really have not had the time to review it. Furthermore, it would be useful to have many schematic symbols which are identical between Orcad, Viewdraw, and Powerlogic.

[Tom]

It would be useful to have many schematic symbols which are identical between OrCAD, Viewdraw, and PowerLogic Bingo!

This is exactly what we need. We do not need to start BIG, but we just need to start something. That would be helpful. Could we interest you into moving your Viewdraw library over here and make you the moderator? This would centrally locate everything to one site.